Wednesday, 26 July 2023

Sony Unveils the New WF-1000XM5

Sony WF-1000XM5 WF1000XM5

With the WF-1000XM5 finally revealed, I wanted to create an in-depth analysis of the design, features and do a comparison with the WF-1000XM4. This is not a review, but I hope to have one in the future once I buy it. But I will need to save up before that happens. So let us dive in.

Sony WF-1000XM5 WF1000XM5

Design

The most obvious change is the new design. Sony has drastically reduced the new mark 5's size and weight. We are looking at 25% smaller size and 20% less weight (5.9g per earbud, 39 grams for case). The size reduction will be welcome by many, including myself. The WF-1000XM4 can become uncomfortable after an extended period of time in my experience so I expect this issue may have been solved with the new design.

Aside the size and weight changes, the new glossy design will split some opinions. When I first saw the original certification photos back in March, I was hoping the materials would change for the final production unit. But this turned out not to be the case. A common remark is that they look cheap, and I get that, but from my own experience with the WF-1000XM4, it can get dirty and cleaning the matte plastic can be a hassle. Now with the new model, the area that touches the ear is glossy and should be easier to clean. Of course that appears to be the idea. Whether this is true in practice remains to be seen. Of course I will still need to see in person to make a final judgement. I wonder if we could see a similar design change with the WH-1000XM6 when it arrives next year.

For a size comparison, Sony has provided us with a nice set of reference images on their product pages. In the photo below we have the WF-1000XM5, LinkBuds S, and WF-C700N. I used the ear mesh as my size reference.

Sony WF-1000XM5 vs WF-C700N vs LinkBuds S

This comparison shows that the mark 5 is more or less the same size as the other 2 and has a similar ear tip orientation like the WF-C700N. So if you own either the LinkBuds S or WF-C700N, the new WF-1000XM5 should have a similar fit and comfort. This is good news for me, since the WF-C700N is really comfortable, even for long listening sessions.

Finally here is a comparison of the WF-1000XM3 and WF-1000XM5 from the Sony Store Ginza Twitter account.

Sony WF-1000XM3 vs WF-1000XM5

Charging Case

For a size comparison of the charging case, we can thank the Sony Engineer interview for these 2 comparison photos.

Sony WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4 charging case compare
WF-1000XM4 (top), WF-1000XM5 (bottom)

Sony WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4 charging case compare
WF-1000XM4 (L), WF-1000XM5 (R)

Comparing the designs, we can see the new case is a lot more rounded with softer edges. The interview reveals that the inside of the WF-1000XM4 lid is made from resin, where as in the new model, this same part is made from silicone, which helps protect the earbuds.

Sony WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4 charging case compare
Sony WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4 charging case comparison

The rear of the case also has a pairing button like the LinkBuds S and WF-C700N. Wireless charging is still present, and uses the Qi standard. From reviews online, and even in these press photos, the colour of the case (and earbuds) appears to be a slightly different colour. I think it is the same black as the WH-1000XM5.

WF-1000XM4 (L) - WF-1000XM5 (R) tips

New Earbud Tips

Another change are the earbud tips. Sony describes them as "Noise Isolation Earbud Tips" and says they are made from an exclusive material which enhances the fit but also comfort thanks to their newly designed shape.
 
The new tips appear to have a similar construction to previous ones found in the WF-1000XM4. We have a silicone center layer surrounded by the polyurethane foam. The foam is much thinner on the bottom which should permit a better squeeze and fit in the ear canal.

In addition Sony has included a mesh in the opening to keep out dirt and grime from the inside of the earbuds. This mesh will require cleaning, so it will be interesting how well it stands up to constant cleaning.
 
 
We have the new model name of the ear tips, EP-NI1010. The new tips will be available starting September 1st in Japan. No word if they will be sold outside of Japan. The tips will be sold in individual sizes, priced around 2000 yen each. The WF-1000XM5 will ship with 4 sizes of tips, SS, S, M, and L. The previous tips, EP-NI1000, are already discontinued. I will be buying up a few pairs of the new tips for my WF-1000XM4 and WF-C700N, to test them out later this year. I do not expect a huge improvement in sound quality but hopefully the comfort and seal will improve.

New Features added to the list

The new WF-1000XM5 brings a few new features like gesture control and head tracking. With gesture control you can nod your head to answer a call or shake it to deny the call. The head tracking will be used for various applications like 360 Reality Audio or TIDAL. But the functionality will require a firmware update as it will be available Summer 2023. This could mean, August, or it could be early September. Head tracking was recently added to the WH-1000XM5 via a firmware update.
 
Sony Find My Equalizer

The updated Sony headphone app also has a new feature called "Find your Equalizer". You play a song you like in the player, go back to the app, then click Find your equalizer. With the song playing, you have 5 EQ settings to choose from, which you can preview by selecting them. Once you find one you like, you click next, this is repeated 2 more times. At the end, you can see compare the selected EQ with your previous settings. The app is meant to optimize the EQ to a person's listening style. The feature is still in beta and it does work well. It choose a pretty close EQ to what I was using for my WF-1000XM4. I expect the feature will improve with time.
 
Other features remain the same like DSEE Extreme, Voice Assistant support, quick attention, and ambient sound mode, Fast Pair for Android, and Swift Pair for Windows also help with pairing. I am aware that there are some changes to the tap function but I suggest looking at reviews for that information.

New Dynamic X Driver

Sony WF-1000XM5 Dynamic X Driver
 
Sony has opted not to add any balanced armature drivers to the WF-1000XM5 (boo), but we do have a new larger (8.4mm) driver. We get a closer at the driver and what is new thanks to the Sony Engineer interview. In the first 3 photos, we can see a real life comparison of the WF-1000XM4 and WF-1000XM5 driver size.
 
Sony WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4 drivers compared
WF-1000XM4 (L), WF-1000XM5 (R) driver comparison

Sony WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4 drivers compared
WF-1000XM4 (L), WF-1000XM5 (R) driver comparison

Sony WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4 drivers compared
WF-1000XM4 (L), WF-1000XM5 (R) driver comparison, photo courtesy of AV-Watch
 
We can see the new driver is bigger but also flatter, similar to what we see in Sony's WH line of headsets. In the interview, the engineers say that there are 2 methods for high sound pressure reproduction. First, using a larger diaphragm to increase the vibration area, and second using a small diaphragm to generate a larger vibration amplitude. Sony uses the former in the new WF-1000XM5, where as the latter was used in the WF-1000XM4.
 
The interview also reveals that the new driver diaphragm is composed of 2 different materials, the central dome is more rigid, helping recreate higher frequencies which are clearer and higher; where as the outer edge is softer and more flexible which helps reproduce deep low frequencies. This design is similar to the WH-1000XM5 diaphragm.

We do have a close up of the driver from the WF-1000XM5 product page. I suspect this is the idealized rendered version, but it does provide a nice close up of the design.

Sony WF-1000XM5 Dynamic X Driver
Sony WF-1000XM5 Dynamic X Driver

In this next photo, we can get a good idea of how much space each driver takes up inside the earbuds.
 
Sony WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4 drivers compared
WF-1000XM5 (L), WF-1000XM4 (R)

The driver in the WF-1000XM5 takes up a lot more space in the earbuds, which themselves are smaller than the WF-1000XM4, where the driver seems much smaller with respect to the other components. I am looking forward to comparing both devices in the future together.

Also one more thing, in the product video, there is an exploded view and we can see a piece of plastic that is some kind of cover that goes over the main outlet of the earbuds.

What is this in the Sony WF-1000XM5

It covers the entire bottom of the earbuds, perhaps creating a seal with the outside, maybe for the IPX4 certification. Silly question, would this plastic piece not dampen the sound coming from the driver? I am also wondering if it is glued in or just pushed into place.

Noise Cancellation

One the major selling points of the WF-1000XM5 will be the noise cancellation. Sony claims they are the best noise cancelling headset on the market right now. (July 2023) Because the new driver is able to produce more sound pressure, it is able to produce more accurate cancellation waves in the lower frequencies to cancel out noise.

The new model now features 3 NC mics per earbud. When I first saw the product video, I was puzzled why there was a microphone in the middle of the earbuds with no hole. 

Sony WF-1000XM5 NC microphones

Reading the press released explained the reason:

The WF-1000XM5 now feature three microphones on each earbud, including dual feedback mics, which improve low-frequency cancellation performance. This is Sony’s biggest ever step forward in noise cancelling, resulting in ambient sound captured even more accurately.
 
This is also expanded upon in the Engineer interview, the extra feedback microphone in the middle of headset helps with cancelling the lower frequency range. In addition, the microphones are newly developed, smaller in size and have less noise. Although I am uncertain if this is referring to all 3 NC mics, or just the additional feedback one. For comparison, Apple decided to increase the size of the microphones in their new Beats Studio Buds +, but I cannot find any teardown photos of the new model to compare the mic size with the older model.

From my understanding, Sony uses the same mic for voice and feedforward NC in the WF-1000XM5, like in the LinkBuds S. It is an interesting decision, I suppose if it works in the LinkBuds S, it would work here as well. The absence of a dedicated voice mic does not bother me, but if the call quality is not improved over the WF-1000XM4, then I could see this being an issue for users who use the voice mic a lot. Sony has released a firmware update to address the rather mediocre voice call quality.

Could Sony have fit in a 4th microphone for voice? Good question, perhaps, but maybe the benefits of a 4th microphone outweighed the costs.

Sony WF-1000XM5 noise cancellation microphones
The two feedback NC microphones are positioned in 2 different areas, the first microphone is inside the audio canal, with the second microphone closer to the driver. The placement of the NC microphone in the audio canal is why the eartips now require a mesh, since none exists on the actual unit.

We can see the actual mic in this photo, courtesy of Sasaki on Twitter.

Sony WF-1000XM5 feedback NC microphone
Going back to the earlier part where there is a plastic cover over the outlet, I wonder how the flex PCB with this microphone goes out, maybe there is a notch in the plastic cover? Or perhaps the flex PCB just fits between the cover and case? Hopefully this can be revealed in a teardown.
 
The noise cancellation is improved according to Sony, who have a graph on the Japanese product page. According to the graph, there are improvements in the low to mid frequency ranges. The new model looks to also improve the cancellation of human voices, which is an area NC struggles.

Sony WF-1000XM5 vs WF-1000XM4 noise cancellation performance

The photo is not very technical, so I decided to combine the ANC performance charts from 3 Sound Guys reviews, the WF-1000XM3, WF-1000XM4, and WF-1000XM5
 
Sony WF-1000XM3 vs WF-1000XM4 vs WF-1000XM5 ANC performance
source: www.SoundGuys.com
 
The higher the graph, the better the headset can cancel out the noise in that frequency. I will not be discussing the WF-1000XM3, but I added it just for comparison to see how much both the mark 4 and 5 improved.

The WF-1000XM5 does appear to have better ANC performance overall, even in the low end. The mark 5 dips a bit below the mark 4 around the 600 Hz area, but recovers and surpasses it at around 900 Hz. At 3000 Hz, the performance begins to jump around, with one model better in certain points and the other better at other points. But this is just technical information with real world performance probably varying.

Personally I am looking forward to see the review and comparison from This is Tech Today. Their video comparing the WH-1000XM5 and WH-1000XM4, along with Airpods Max and Bose QuietComfort 45 was excellent, and quite technical.
 
Sony V2 and QN2e Processors

Sony V2 Integrated Processor Sony QN2e

We first learned of the 2 processors from the leaks, but now we have a bit more information why the extra processor was required. Because Sony added a second feedback NC microphone inside, additional processing power was required. This is where the QN2e comes in. 
 
We have little information about the QN2e, it could be a new chip, or an evolution of the QN1e, whatever the case I suspect it will be close to the QN1e's design as seen below.

Sony QN1e CXD3781
CXD3871 (QN1e) block diagram
 
Sony does have a CXD3782 chip which has 3 microphone inputs, but it uses a lot more power, 13mW, versus only 7mW for the CXD3871. We will probably have to wait for a teardown to identify the chip. Perhaps the FCC filing will reveal the chips under the metal cover, just like we saw in the LinkBuds S, but if not, maybe 52Audio will perform a teardown and remove the lid to reveal the chips. If that does not happen, I could always try to fund raise for a teardown and take one apart myself if people would want me to.
 
Moving to the V2 integrated processor, the engineer interview reveals that the SoC is a new chip, but provides no specifics. I have already identified the chip as the Mediatek MT2833 in an earlier post. We also have little information on this chip, but from Google's Fast Pair compatibility list, we can see that this chip is paired with the AB158x. Long ago on a Mediatek employee's LinkedIn page, they had the MT2833 paired with the AB1588, so I am going to assume this is the case.
 
I cannot find much on the AB1588, but there is an AB1585 on the Airoha website. But from other Airoha products and their documentation, I am certain that the AB1588 is the same as the AB1565, but with more embedded flash. I found this ANC diagram of the AB1565, and looking at the inputs, we have the 2 NC mics and a voice mic.

Airoha AB1565 ANC diagram
Airoha AB1565 ANC block diagram
 
I would not expect the AB1588 to have any more additional inputs, meaning the extra feedback NC microphone could not be processed by the SoC. So I am wondering myself now how Sony has setup the connections in the WF-1000XM5. Is the QN2e only processing the one extra NC mic, or all 3? And what about the MT2833 (V2)? Does it still play a role in any noise cancellation? I do not think we will ever get an exact answer to that question, but in the engineer interview, it is mentioned that the V2 works in conjunction with the QN2e to cancel out noise.

I will have another new post in the future about the V2 and the various other Sony and Airoha SoCs. So stay tuned.

I am hopeful the FCC internal photos will become available sooner than August 22nd, but for the time being we have one photo from the Engineers interview, which I have supplemented with additional photos from the March 2023 leak.
 
Sony WF-1000XM5 teardown
  1. Contacts for Dynamic X driver
  2. Optical sensor
  3. Feedback NC microphones
  4. Contacts for charging pins
  5. Feedforward/Voice microphone
  6. On board connector for antenna/touch panel flex PCB
  7. Integrated battery protection chip
  8. Acceleration sensor
  9. Unknown chip
  10. Contacts for antenna/touch panel
  11. Battery contacts
I still cannot identify the small (#9) chip, maybe it is related to charging as this is where the charging pins are located. While we do not have photos of the other side of the PCB, we do have the rendered photos from the product video.  If we are to believe what is there, then the reverse side only has the V2 and QN2e chips.

Sony WF-1000XM5 V2 QN2e

As I asked earlier, if we do not get any teardowns from 52Audio, perhaps we can try a fund raise for me to buy one to take it apart? If not, we might have to make due with the FCC teardown.

And now for some comparisons of the specifications.


WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4
Bluetooth Ver. 5.3 5.2
Earbud weight 5.9g 7.3g
Case Weight 39g 41g
Driver Size 8.4mm 6mm
Waterproof IPX4 IPX4
DSEE Extreme Yes Yes
Batter Life 8 hrs (NC On)
12 hrs (NC Off)
8 hrs (NC On)
12 hrs (NC Off)
Earbud Full
Charge
~ 1.5 hours ~ 1.5 hours
Case Full
Charge
~ 2 hours ~ 3 hours
Quick charge 3 minutes = 60 min 5 minutes = 60 min
Wireless charging Yes Yes
Codec Support SBC, AAC,
LDAC, LC3
SBC, AAC,
LDAC
Case Dimensions 64.6 × 40.0 × 26.5 mm 67.0 x 40.0 x 30.0 mm

The WF-1000XM5 does appear to recharge the case faster and has an improved quick charge, but overall the speed to a full earbud recharge is the same. I suspect Sony could have upped the charging speed but would rather keep it the same as not degrade the internal battery.

Sony has put up the online guide for the new model after I published the post, just my luck. Here is a comparison of the battery life.


WF-1000XM5 WF-1000XM4
LDAC
NC ON
5 hours max
5 hours max
LDAC
NC OFF
8 hours max 6 hours max
AAC
NC ON
8 hours max 8 hours max
AAC
NC OFF
12 hours max 12 hours max
SBC
NC ON
8 hours max 7.5 hours max
SBC
NC OFF
12 hours max 11 hours max
LC3
NC ON
7 hours max -
LC3
NC OFF
11 hours max -

The WF-1000XM4 battery life is provided with DSEE extreme to auto and off, I selected the off numbers since the WF-1000XM5 battery life does not have DSEE extreme in it. If even says that DSEE Extreme, EQ, speak-to-chat, etc, will decrease battery life. The LC3 battery is a bit lackluster, it is still beta, but if it does not improve over SBC in the final release, then that will be very disappointing. There will be other features of LC3 like the audio sharing, so there is that to look forward to. 

Similar situation with the LinkBuds S and their LC3 battery life, not great, but not terrible.

And with that. this concludes the post. I will start saving up for the new model. The past week before announcement helped bring in some adsense revenue, but no where near enough to buy the new model. I hope to have enough saved up by Black Friday in November or before Christmas. By then perhaps the price will have dropped a bit. If the FCC internal documents drop this week, I will update this post, otherwise I will make a separate one once they become available. Thanks for reading and sorry it took so long, most of the other sites got the information ahead of time and could prepare, I could not.

Sony WF-1000XM5 WF1000XM5

29 comments:

  1. No need to apologize, thanks for the write up, looks like lots of great info.

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  2. Excelente gracias.

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  3. Many thanks. The WF-1000XM5 manual is now also available. Interesting are the operating times, especially when compared to the XM4s. LDAC: up to 2 hours longer battery life! Using LC3 doesn't seem to make much sense at the moment, operating times are worse than with AAC, despite the LE Audio mode and some features are not available.
    https://helpguide.sony.net/mdr/2963/v1/en/contents/TP1000781965.html
    https://helpguide.sony.net/mdr/2963/v1/en/contents/TP1000781980.html
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    1. Ah just my luck, they publish the manual after I publish the post. Yes LC3 right now kind of meh. I wonder if the LDAC times are better since the codec was improved or the new BT SoC is more efficient.

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    2. I think the SoC and the new transmission mode to both ears simultaneously (see https://www.sony.co.uk/headphones/products/wf-1000xm5/features5) might make the difference and I'd be interested in the details (does it work like that in all connection modes and also with devices which support only older Bluetooth versions?) I'm also hoping to be able to use the LDAC 990/909 mode in crowded areas.
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    3. WF-1000XM4 has the same tech, it's Airoha's MCSync.

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    4. Ouch, I must have missed that.
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    5. Sony doesn't really mention the MCSync, just has the same diagram on the wf-1000xm4 product page like with the wf-1000xm4. see here

      https://www.sony.co.uk/headphones/products/wf-1000xm4/features6

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  4. "The left or right headset unit works as the main headset unit, so it consumes the rechargeable battery faster than the other unit. There is a difference in remaining battery charge between the left and right headset units, but this is not a malfunction.
    The left or the right headset unit can be the “main headset unit” depending on the usage environment."

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    1. Sony covering their butts when people start asking why the battery life is different from on either side. Guess the MCSync tech is not as good as it should be. But I don't own the original wf-1000x, so no idea how much of a difference the battery life was there between L and R.

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  5. For WF-1000XM4 users: we should all penalize Sony for not fixing the battery overheating and fast draining issues. They are using cheap and inferior batteries with insufficient testing probably. The updated firmwares came much too late, the damages already done; especially to early batch buyers. For those Sony fans and alike, better delay purchase till next year, when they have their latest firmware installed and prices plunged. Win-win for all

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  6. Hi Ascariss. I've been waiting for these earbuds for so long, but now I'm in doubt. I use my earbuds (Samsung buds pro) a lot for calls and I was ready to change, not being satisfied at all with mine. That said, even if Sony brags about them being great for calls, most of the reviews were really disappointing on that front. I read where you say that the firmware update might help with it, but how can we be sure (or at least be more confident) before actually buying them? All current reviews seem to have been made pre-update. Any suggestions welcome, thanks

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    1. I've asked a few people on youtube who reviewed it if they updated their units with the new firmware and test out the voice mic, not no replies.

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    2. Thank you for your help! It would be great to know what they said if you hear back from them. I also saw that the sound guys are planning to make a new video with a non-pre-production model soon, so hopefully that comes soon as well

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  7. I wonder how sound quality is compared to XM4, several reviewers on youtube were not impressed.

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    1. This can be a really subjective opinion. Some think the WHXM4 sounds better than WHXM5, for example, while I think that XM4 has bloaty bass in comparison, which I don't enjoy, and XM5 has cleaner bass and more refinement to the sound.

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  8. This very detailed comparison forgets to mention that multipoint connection can use LDAC codec on the WF-1000XM5, where with the WF-1000XM4 you have to choose between LDAC or multipoint (maybe to be added in a future update like for the WH_1000XM5 ?).

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    1. except that information wasn't and isn't in the eu press release I saw. the online guide also doesn't have that information. If it was provided to reviewers, that is because they got that information from Sony for their review devices.

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  9. I have just received wf-1000xm5 and I must say that they are nice. The audio quality is really good for TWS earphones. I have not yet tested ANC in rough conditions but the ambient sound mode is good (except for human voices). Only thing I don't like are foam ear tips so I will buy silicone eartips ASAP.

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  10. Are the eartips the same size as XM4? I have few sets of complyfoammfor my old xm4 whichI lost, would be great if I can use them on xm5.

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    1. if you mean the connection of the tips to the earbuds, then yes, the same, but I believe the dimensions/shape of the new earbuds are a bit different, but they should work.

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  11. Excelente artículo, por ahora seguiré con el XM4 aún están intactos con un reciente cambio de baterías.

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  12. Every review I've read indicates that the ANC is worse than the Boss QC 2. Aaron's review shows that the WF 10005's ANC performance even lost to the AirPods Pro 2. What on earth has Sony been doing these past 2 years

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    1. I can't give you a proper answer, except that some users on reddit have reported similar thoughts, others have said the ANC is better on the newer model. I can't say, do not own the new model.

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  13. I bought the XM5s as replacement of my XM4s. First impressions:

    1. Buds & case are really much smaller & sleeker which is the biggest advance over the XM4s. Once you've used them, the XM4s immediately feel heavy and bulky and you don't really want to wear them anymore.
    2. The glossy part looks not as cheap as initially suspected.
    3. The quality of the hinge of the new case is much better than the old one, it doesn't feel that lose anymore.
    4. They sound different. Can't say whether it's better or worse. I probably just need to get used to it.
    5. The noise cancelling is definitely better than before but it's not a day-and-night difference.
    6. LC3 doesn't work with the Xperia 1 V (only with Xperia 1/5 IV according to the patch notes) which is a bit of a joke since it's Sony's current top-of-the line model.
    7. The LDAC 990/909 mode still causes dropouts in crowdy public places. 660/606 works fine, so nothing really changed compared to the XM4s
    8. The XM4s had a built-in voice that informed about stuff like battery level and the noise cancelling/ambience sound switch. Now it's just tones that don't really give any valuable information. I preferred the voice on the XM4s but there's no way to change it.

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    1. Interesting. I'm reading varying reports on Reddit that the new model is not that good versus the older one, especially the ANC. Hmm I have to save up before I can buy anything.

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    2. I read that too and really wonder how people come to that conclusion. I'd accept if people don't like the different sound but the ANC is definitely a step forward and so is basically everything else.
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  14. It seems at least some XM5 batches are poised to suffer the same battery fate as the XM4. This is silly at this point. Right now left is 74%, right 93%.

    They're going back to where they came from.

    https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sony-wf-1000xm5.968488/page-22

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  15. Just got the WF-1000XM5s today. At first impression it seems that it can have more trouble keeping a stable connection at 990kbps in comparison to the WF-1000XM4s. Otherwise, I love that the bass is more controlled now. The XM5s sound more open now, I'd say thanks to the new and bigger dynamic drivers. The sound is definitely clearer and less congested. I didn't feel the need to use any EQ for these, contrary to the XM4s. In any case, EQ off sounds different than EQ on with all bands set to 0.

    I like how smaller than the XM4s they are. The XM4s would cause little discomfort after a while, my outer ear would hurt in a place where the buds were touching it. With the XM5s they either don't sit anywhere on the outer ear, or I just don't feel them! When I take them out after an hour or more I don't feel relief, I just don't really feel anything special, which is very nice. They don't seem like falling out of the ears, and they seem to produce less thumpy noise when walking.

    I wish the transparency mode would be even more transparent, but I can definitely live with it.

    I'm waiting for LC3 to get out of beta, or to be made usable by other devices too, and not just those 2 Xperia smartphones. I'm curious how the latency is noticeable, or hopefully how it is not noticeable when using certain applications.

    My opinion regarding some other opinions that others have about these buds:
    1. The buds don't have enough bass no more/they have little (to no?) bass - I think they have plenty of bass, it's just more controlled, it doesn't go nearly as boomy as before, while still sounding solid, filling. The bass is also not there in a song, in the same way, all the time. If a song doesn't have it like that, it doesn't sound like that. If a song calls for bass, these buds can deliver: distortion-free, articulated, textured bass, not just a boom. You can hear the frequency of the bass better now. I listen to this kind of details, so it's definitely appreciated, especially for a pair of wireless buds.

    2. The shiny part is trouble - Yeah, I get that, I also wish they weren't shiny, just so you can grip them better with your fingers. This aspect doesn't seem too bad though, I can certainly live with it. I didn't have issues taking them out of the case, but I feel like I have to be more careful when handling the buds. It also doesn't seem to get greasy that easily, so that's a good thing (maybe it was just my experience until now though).

    3. The price is big - Yes, I agree, it's kinda big. It wasn't too hard for me to accept it, and I also didn't have any doubt I may not get the buds because of the price, so it wasn't that much of an issue for me. Maybe the price would be reduced in time, or there'd be some reduced price deal, but I honestly couldn't manage my excitement. I have the XM4s, and the WH1000XM5. I preferred the sound of the WH-1000XM5 a lot better than that of the XM4 buds. However, it can be uncomfortable to wear them in the summer because of the heat. The way the XM5 buds sound, I'll definitely use them a lot more!

    5. Noise cancelling is worse than that on the XM4s - I don't really think so myself. In my short experience they are actually a bit better like Sony claims. I'll get to use them more in the following days though, so I'll see.

    6. The XM5s seem to also have battery issues - I didn't get this kind of issues yet. The difference was never bigger than 5-10% (usually not going over 5%). Sony specifies on their help page: "The left or right headset unit works as the main headset unit, so it consumes the rechargeable battery faster than the other unit. There is a difference in remaining battery charge between the left and right headset units, but this is not a malfunction." - just to keep in mind. In the operating time/codec table they also specify "Max." for all hours specified there (ex. Max. 5 hours), so don't expect it to actually last 5 hours. In any case, they charge really fast, so there's that. Let's hope there are no actual issues with the battery, even though my XM4s are still fine.

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